Edward Snowden was a BOB

[Despanan]

"Which" is really important. The military just gunned down 40 members of the deposed Muslim Brotherhood - that's a very different thing than people being killed during a riot.

Liberals (and by that I mean everyone who favors establishment politics, republicans and democrats alike) like to get really post-modern about violence, as in "violence is always wrong no matter the who and the why" (unless it's the State's violence; which they're totally cool with) but not only is this approach Un-nuanced and illogical, it ignores the that's inherent in a given system.

If the material conditions are bad enough in a given place (such as Egypt) violence that is used towards ending those conditions can be understood, justified, or even preferable.

If you're the sort of person who says violence is always wrong no matter what, or violence exists in a vacuum, you yourself are behaving violently, by lending at the very least tacit support of those conditions that cause misery and death to billions.

The fact that a movement is violent, on it's own, says nothing about it's worthiness, it's the how and the why and the who that matter.

[Agent]

oh ok phant i agree with you killing desp now

[Despanan]

The American Revolution was violent - should the colonists never have revolted?

[Agent]

youre begging the question if the amerian revolution went like this last week in egypt there would be no reason for any violence just like theres no reason for any violence in egypt youre the one that wants to kill muslims not the egyptians

[Despanan]

I haven't said word 1 about my opinion of the violence in Egypt. I actually find police violence against protestors intensely disturbing - even though I'm happy the Muslim Brotherhood is out of power.

I was just making a general point about violence because I'm sick of post-modern Liberal attitudes towards it. It's like when AnCaps talk about being against expropriation or even labor laws because of the "non-aggression principal" but don't give a crap if the policies if a business owner lead to hundreds of deaths in an industrial accident.

Blanket denunciations of violence is usually just an endorsement of the status quo. If the Status quo is sufficiently unbearable violence can be justified.

[Rip]

Heroism is defined as much by methods as motivations

[Despanan]

Sure, but violence can be the best/only method available to the heroic. It depends on the situation.

[Agent]

what if they had those sticks from minority report that make you throw up

[Zengus]

If I had one of those sticks I would use it all the time

Like, on other people. People I don't like

[Phantomgrift]